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When you talk about influential albums, your first though might be best-sellers or critically acclaimed efforts... and you are right, those record tends to fill any respected list of influential records... except there's also OTHER kind of influential records, those who defied and subverted expectations as if they were Star Wars films directed by Rian Johnson; in this case i'm talking about the 1999 electronica album Play by Moby, which celebrates its 20th anniversary this month.
For Moby, Play was a turning point in his career. Before Play, he was considered a middling successful electronic artist, with his 1992 single Go having found surprise success on the UK (peaking at #10) and his music doing decently on the Billboard dance charts, all while his albums barely sold any copy at all; all of that changed on 1995, when he left the gimmicks behind (like Thousand, a song with the Guinness record for the fastest BPM) to create an actual album, one that was conceived as such, 1995's Everything Is Wrong, an album that would forecast what would come for Moby next, as some of its tracks would be repurposed on movies and shows like Heat (God Moving Over the Face of the Waters), Scream (First Cool Hive) and The Sopranos (When It's Cold I'd Like to Die). With a well received album and the kind of success any DJ could realistically get, Moby decided to throw everything away with Animal Rights, a hardcore punk/alternative/ambient album that was conveniently released as soon as the kind of music he used to make started to get mainstream; as expected that album not only flopped horribly and was poorly received, but nearly killed Moby's entire career as he alienated his previous fanbase, leave the specialized media industry cold and was lambasted by listeners within the alternative genre, leaving Moby to be considered as a has-been.
After the fallout of what Moby considers his best record, he came back in full force with a remix of the James Bond theme song for the Pierce Brosnan film Tomorrow Never Dies, which peaked at #1 on the Billboard Dance Chart and #8 on the UK; afterwards he started working in what he wanted to be his final record before returning to college to study architecture; that album was, of course, Play.
The album is a genre-bending piece, mixing Moby's standard electronica sound with such disparate elements like early blues, African-American folk music, gospel, hip hop, disco and techno, all together mixed but not stirred... it was basically a blues and rock record for the 2KY generation. The most recognizable element of the album is the sampling of field recordings (compiled by Alan Lomax in the boxset Sounds of the South) from a capellas performed by black Southerner folk and blues performers of yesteryear, with Moby playing with and looping the recordings to create his, at the time, swan song.
The release of the album was delayed because Moby was dissatisfied with the mixing on the record, with three further attempts not giving the desired results... a fourth and final mix was created on Moby's apartment, and that became the album's final version; unfortunately there was another issue: no one really wanted to touch the album, as almost every record label rejected it, and even when V2 Records agree to distribute it, they weren't exactly that optimistic either, as they only anticipated sales from 250,000 copies worldwide (the same number that Everything Is Wrong, his most successful release at the time, got), which seemed particularly difficult as no major journalist got interested in the release.
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So how did an album that debuted with 6,000 copies sold worldwide on its release week, and featured no hit single and 18 tracks of genre-bending electronica that included black spiritual chanting mixed with rock/hip-hop influenced non-danceable electronic music, ended up selling over 12 million copies worldwide? Licensing of course. You see, when filmmaker Michael Mann used God Moving Over the Face of the Waters for the climax of his 1995 film Heat, Moby's managers decided to push his music through licensing channels, and even the bomb that was Animal Rights couldn't stop them from pitching his music everywhere, up to the point that he was capable of releasing the compilation album I Like To Score composed of previously licensed songs for movie soundtracks just two years later.
Play debuted at number 33 on the UK charts but fell almost right away in spite of its positive critical reception, which wasn't aided by radio stations and music channels like MTV refusing to play the singles, as they though of them as instrumental/experimental tracks without wide appeal; despite this setback, Moby's reputation for making background-appealing music led to many brands to ask for the license to use some of the songs in their ads, an idea Moby agreed not because it would help him to recoup his costs (some of those deals weren't exactly lucrative to begin with) but because he wanted to music to be heard; at the end of the day he ended up rejecting more deals than those he approved, and to his surprise all of the 18 tracks (including a 1-minute long instrumental track called 7) were licensed before the album less than a year after the album got released on Mat 17th, 1999.
It could have something edible like Bailey's Irish Cream, something fancier like Nordstrom or a Volkswagen Polo, or even something bizarre like Tiger Woods playing some American Express-sponsored golf in NY, Moby's music was there to sell you whatever they wanted, wherever they wanted. The strategy worked and Play reentered the UK charts on January, 2000 before eventually peaking at the top position three months later, beating Santana's Supernatural for the top spot; the same event repeated on multiple countries around the world and suddenly Play was selling 150,000 copies weekly, reaching the top 5 in over a dozen countries' sales charts (before being eventually certified Platinum in over 20 of them), and finishing the year as one of the best-selling albums, including a spot as the fifth best-selling album of the year in the UK, where Play spend 81 weeks on the charts, before being eventually certified 6x Platinum. In the US the album never peaked above #38 on the Billboard chart but it still managed to be a constant seller and was eventually certified 2x Platinum after having sold over 2.7 million copies there.
Of course ads weren't entirely responsible for the album's success, as the unprecedented release of 8 hit singles over the course of 2 and a half years.
The album's opening track and debut single was Honey, build around a vocal sample of Bessie Jones' Sometimes with the instrumental build around the piano of Joe Cocker's Woman to Woman; the song was composed in around 10 minutes using these elements after Moby discovered Jones' recording on the aforementioned Lomax boxset, with the composition using Jones' vocals (choosing only the lines that amplify the song’s sexual subtext) against a repeating piano line, a hip-hop drum loop, vinyl cuts, and a slide guitar, with the final result meant to “convey female sex”, with the final track being mixed by Beastie Boys producer Mario Caldalto Jr; this mix was an influential factor in how the remainder of the album would sound. Honey was promoted with a video directed by Roman Coppola and a remix featuring Kelis in order to ensure some radio airplay (the track was released as a single 8 months before the album release), however the track was only middling successful with a #33 peak in the UK, #49 in the Billboard Dance Chart and #95 in Australia, although a later repackage of the remix cracked the top 20 in the UK.
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The second track and eight and final single is Find My Baby, in which Moby repurposes a sample of Boy Blue's Joe Lee's Rock over a slide guitar and some 80s-inspired hip-hop drums. As an 8th single, the track, promoted with a video directed by Barnaby & Scott, didn't exactly set the charts on fire, although it manages to peak at #4 on Belgium and #36 on Italy.
The third track on the album, sixth single and Moby's signature track is Porcelain, a song that Moby had to be talked about including in the album, as he wasn't exactly the biggest fan of his vocal performance and the production of the song. Build around a sample of the Ernest Gold track Fight for Survival from the 1960 film Exodus, the song is this melancholic downtempo piece about loving someone who's not right for you and ending the relationship, based on a personal experience that Moby went through, with a drum machine, vocal samples and multiple layers of cellos and synthesizers complementing the atmosphere. Critically acclaimed upon release, the song was at first ignored by audiences, as noticed by Moby who has recounted how people used the song as their bathroom break during his concerts, however everything changed after filmmaker Danny Boyle used the track in a pivotal sequence of the Leonardo DiCaprio film The Beach (released in the middle of the LeoMania), which pushed the track to a #5 debut on the UK and relatively high peaks on other countries. Two music videos were released, an eye-themed video directed by Jonas Åkerlund and a second one, equally minimalistic, directed by Nick Brandt; both video helped the song to became the breakthrough hit it was, and the continued popularity of the track can be seen on, per example, its sampling on A$AP Rocky's A$AP Forever last year, which gave Moby his second ever entry on the Billboard Hot 100 chart.
The forth track and single is Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad?, another track build around old Black samples, in this case the 1963 Banks Brothers gospel classic He'll Roll Your Burdens Away (which he would later reuse for his 2002 track I'm Not Worried At All) with Diane Charlemagne singing in the chorus in what started in 1992 as a 'mediocre, generic techno song' (here's an undated early leaked demo) that was eventually slowed down into a more mournful and romantic iteration that Moby still had to be talked into including in the album. The animated music video, featuring Moby's mascot Little Idiot, helped to push the track to the Top 5 in several European countries like Germany, Switzerland and Austria and to the Top 20 in the UK (it peaked at #16, with an eventual re-release peaking at #17), probably aided by the performance with Elton John.
The success of Moby's singles weren't limited to the Old World, as the album's fifth track and seventh single, South Side, became a surprise Top 20 hit on the US (it peaked at #14, and remained Moby's only Hot 100 entry for almost 18 years) and a #3-peaking hit on Canada, even if it's Moby's least favorite track on the album. With drums sampled the The Counts' 1971 song What's Up Front That Counts, the lyrics deals with abject amorality, in which the poppy and catchy chorus hides the dark subject matter about kids becoming to desensitized from violence for all of the overwhelming stimuli around them that nothing matters anymore. The song was originally recorded with Gwen Stefani as a duet (to the surprise of Moby, as Gwen asked to be part of the track), however her vocals were taken from the final mix as he was dissatisfied with the mixing of the duet version... her vocals were restored for the single version of the track after a friend of Moby managed to create an adequate mix, with this version being also used for the music video which was directed by notorious troll Joseph Khan and was eventually nominated for Best Male Video at the VMAs. It's quite weird to hear the duet version after Moby and Gwen's eventual falling out (and whathappened afterwards) but South Side would remain as one of his biggest hits, even if Moby doesn't like the song that much.
By the time we reach Rushing, the sixth track and first non-single (and also first instrumental track) on the album, is when things start to get interesting... at least for Moby, as this is one their favorites tracks on the record; although the title might suggest otherwise, this is actually a very ethereal song with a soothing atmosphere and a gorgeous echoing piano that makes this one of my favorites deep cuts of Play.
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Things get more upbeat with the UK Top 40 hit and album's third single Bodyrock, which samples the vocals from Spoonie Gee's Love Rap and put it on top of guitars inspired by Gang of Four's What We All Want and some orchestral elements to create what is basically Moby's version of a Fatboy Slim song, his own take on hip-hop. The song got three music videos: one exclusive to the UK featuring what I swear might be the first recorded instance of the dab (see 2:25), a second one which is a faux-behind the scenes version of the UK video featuring auditioning dancers and the American version directed by Steve Carr (of Paul Blart: Mall Cop fame) featuring a cameo by Run-DMC and a premise inspired by They Live.
The blues samples come back on the appropriately-titled Natural Blues, in this case taking Vera Hall's gorgeous and soulful Trouble So Hard and putting it this ethereal backing track in what you might call an extended remix of the original. The song was released as the fifth single of the album and promoted with a gorgeous music video directed by David LaChapelle and starring Christina Ricci and Fairuza Balk which eventually won the Best Video category at the MTV Europe Music Awards, with the song itself peaking at #11 in the UK and reaching the Top 10 in Belgium and France... of course there is also an alternative animated video starring Little Idiot but no one remembers that one.
The next two tracks are quite the deal breakers for some but they add some variety to the record: the techno sad-bop Machete, a track obviously influenced by late-80s EBM that continues Moby's tendency of comparing winter and cold with death and addiction/depression, and the short non-interlude guitar-driven tribal track 7, which might end too soon for some people...
Run On is the eleventh track and second single of the album, and another track based on a classic spiritual/folk tune, in this case Bill Landford and the Landfordaires' Run On For A Long Time, which is one of the multiple titles for this folk standard that has been covered by the likes of Johnny Cash and Elvis Presley, a background Moby wasn't aware of when he decided to build an entire song around it. The midtempo composition is slickly produced and is quite catchy and attention-grabbing enough that is understandable why it was chosen as the second single, even when it didn't performed as good as expected (it peaked at #33 on the UK), in spite of its innovative video, directed by Beginners' director Mike Mills, and surprising repeat value.
Another mellow and short instrumental track follows appropriately called Down Slow, in which the accentuated hip-hop drums and subdued choipiano in the background creates this quite interesting bridge with the track that follows: the dreamy trip-hop track If Things Were Perfect, in which the Willie Hutch’s Hospital Prelude Of Love Theme-sampled hook and Moby's sing-talking creates this spacey vibe that recalls the kind of daydreaming the lyrics refers to.
Everloving is the next instrumental track, which grown from a tender mid-tempo acoustic guitar piece into this full breathtaking piece of ambient perfection thanks to the addition of some pronounced and punchy drums, subdued piano and a evocative synth melody... not so bad for what is basically a 'crummy' demo from a cassette. Inside is the next track and is another instrumental piece, although way more relaxing that previous songs, as the pulsing kick drum, persistent synth background and occasional lurking piano gives some very evocative feelings of being inside... of what exactly I'm not sure but there's not a definite answer.
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Moby's favorite track from Play is Guitar Flute & String, our third consecutive instrumental piece but and the first of two tracks without a drum pattern, with the instrumentation being made of literally what the title says. X-Files stans know the next two songs, which are also the last two of the album: the penultimate track is the heavily minimalist The Sky Is Broken, a track that recalls the previous If Things Were Perfect, albeit with less-pronounced drums, thanks to its icy spoken word and melancholic nature; the album closer and second track without a drum pattern is My Weakness, a gorgeous piece that is closest thing this album gets to pure ambient music, thanks to the sampling of a traditional song from the Kanak people of the Tiga Island that makes the whole album close on such a soulful note.
Following the album's release, Play received widespread acclaim from critics, included those who ignored the album when released, with praise going to its production, the use of its samples, the mixture of genres and influences; the album was included, or even topped, several year-end lists, and even if it was quite dismissed by the Grammys (it was only nominated for Best Alternative Music Performance, losing against Beck, and Best Long Form Video for the video compilation DVD, losing against a recording of the musical The Producers), it continues to be one of the most acclaimedrecords of all time even 20 years after its release, in spite of the occasional and oftentimes wrong take that tends to miss the point.
With its staggering licensing model and the way it virtually made the album relevant, Play's impact has been sometimes reduced to just simply showing record labels how to give their lesser acts enough mainstream push in the hopes of replicating the Play success, helping, alongside the rise of the internet, to blur the line between art and commercialism to the points we see today... and yes, that's arguably the more obvious part of its legacy, but it's not the only one: Moby was arguably the first DJ to become a worldwide pop superstar; sure, he wasn't the first DJ to reach mainstream success but there weren't many DJs before him dating movie stars like Natalie Portman and Christina Ricci, being dissed by Eminem, headlining their own touring festival alongside David Bowie, or getting multi-platinum sales; Moby was one of the several DJs part of a emerging trend of more genre-bending musicians, who used real instrumentals wherever it was possible and even get to sing on their own tracks occasionally; however, similar acts of the era (like Fatboy Slim, The Prodigy, Daft Punk, The Chemical Brothers, etc.) never reached those heights of cultural dominance and media presence (it's not that they needed to), with Moby's successors (David Guetta, Calvin Harris, The Chainsmokers, etc.) being those who ended up getting similar levels of stardom by following some of his footsteps.
Because people at the time couldn't get enough of Moby, a DVD (remember those?) was later released with the fitting title Play: The DVD and including a megamix, live performances, the music videos and a documentary... however, the real crown jewel was the compilation Play: The B-Sides, which is exactly what the title suggests.
The compilation opened with Flower, another folk-sampling track (in this case Jesse Lee Pratcher and Mary and Mattie Garder's Green Sally Up) which some might recognize as having gone viral a couple of years ago as part of a challenge; the next tracks are a couple of instrumental pieces like the upbeat retro-inspired Sunday, and the soothing and healing Memory Gospel (which, alongside Flower, might be among Moby's best well-known B-Sides). The next tracks are the vocoder-heavy Whispering Wind and the instrumental Summer, both around 6 minutes long, followed by entirely by nothing but instrumental tracks: the epic genre-bender Spirit, the Sweet Lullaby-sampling Flying Foxes, the funky Sunspot, the ambient/breakbeat hybrid Flying Over the Deadline, the bouncy 7-minutes long track Running and finally the peaceful The Sun Never Stops Setting. Although not as good, as obviously not nearly as successful as the parent album, The B-Sides is a recommended listen for those who might have enjoyed what is one of the most important records of the last 20 years, one whose legacy extends beyond the music... and one that is way too beautiful and amazing for words to explain.
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英语配音版《哪吒闹海》
《大闹天宫》
youtube《大闹天宫》的评价
http://www.wumaow.com/research/6031.html 第一部分davevontexasI can’t believe what my eyes are seeing.Un - fucking - believable. I cannot believe I am privleged to see this amazing cultural artifact.Which studio? What year? Who was the director? Tell me or so help me, I’ll drive up there and beat it out of you. 我不敢相信我的眼睛看到的东西我不能相信我有幸看到这个令人惊叹的文化作品哪一个工作室？哪一个年？谁是导演？告诉我或帮助我，我要赶到那里去，并且beat it out of you.（不理解是什么意思）GalaxoFantastic! There’s also a Japanese version of the Monkey Legend from the 1960’s. The one I saw was dubbed by Frankie Avalon & Jonathan Winters. Not so authentic as this clip, but just as colorful and WEIRD! 华美奇异极了，还有一个1960年代的猴子神话的日本版本，我看到那个是Frankie Avalon & Jonathan Winters.配音的。不象这个这么地道纯粹，但一样颜色丰富和神秘ouiseyn I saw this when I was a little girl. When Channel 4 in the UK went on the air, one of the first things it aired was this movie. I never saw it again...I’ve wondered for a long time if it was some fantastically beautiful dream I had. Its just as wonderful as I remember it! Thank you so much for uploading. 当我看这个电影的时候，还是个小女孩。那时候英国4频道开播，它开始播的那些节目中有一个就是这个电影。我后来再也没有看过它，我曾经怀疑了很长的时间，它是否只是我曾经做过的某个好到难以相信的奇异瑰丽的梦境。现在再看到它，它就象我曾经记忆的那样华丽壮观。太谢谢你上传了！hopz2God damn. This is from 1960s when animes weren’t even that far ahead.uuuuhhh... its CHINA not JAPAN ^{上帝啊，这是1960年代制作的动画片，那时候动画甚至还没有那么发达嗯嗯嗯，而且它是中国制作的还不是日本matsumulletOh} man, I haven’t seen this in over a decade! My parents had it recorded on VHS tape, but it’s forever lost. I recently got the name of this show from the library. Thank you so much for posting this up! 哦，伙计，我已经超过十年没有看到这个电影了，我的父母曾经把它录在带子上，但它永远丢失了，我最近在图书馆找到了这个片子的名称，太谢谢你把它贴出来了bluegrace06Watched this as a kid. It’s even better than I remembered. Oh, and for more info you can try wikipedia. 当初看这个电影的时候还是个孩子，它甚至比我记忆中的更好。哦，你可以在维基找到更多有关的信息omnivorousOMG OMG you just made my day! Thank you for this.哦，我的上帝，我的上帝，你成全了我的日子，为这部电影谢谢你xMuStangexI LOVE this movie, I remember watching it the first time on TV when I was like 6-7 years old (I’m 23 now) and taped it, I still to this day have the tape. 我爱这个电影，我记得第一次在电视上看到它，我还只有个六七岁（现在23岁了）并且录下了它，我到今天还有这个带子laitmaHey man, thanks for uploading this movie~Is there no way to get subtitles, though, for non-chinese speakers? It’d be awesome if americans could watch this too. I’m guessing you’re chinese and can speak/write it? Is it you don’t want to do subs, or don’t know how to? 嗨，伙计，谢谢你上传这个电影，就没有办法为那些不讲中文的人弄到字幕么？它真的是太棒了，真希望美国人也能看看这个。我猜你是中国人吧，并且能讲能写中文？你不打算做个字幕吗？或者不知道怎么弄hypeconrThis is so great, I saw this when I was a kid, my grandfather had it on Betamax tape. I don’t know if it still exists or works for that matter. I would really like to have this on DVD, the artstyle and music, just brilliant!!! 这是如此伟大，当我是个孩子的时候，我看过它，我的爷爷把它录在 Betamax带上，我不知道它是否仍然存在或能播放。我真希望能有这个电影的DVD。这个艺术风格和音乐，就是华丽！！！UTubeAngeliqueEasy now! I haven’t seen this since I was about 7 or 8 yrs old. BBC2 had a season of Asian animation, been trying to get old of this for years!!!! It kept me quiet for 45 minutes! Ace.我自从七八岁以后就没有看过这个电影，BBC2曾经有一季亚洲动画。试图获得这个电影有许多年了，它让我保持安静了45分钟good4weAmazing!!!!!!! Wish they’d release more Chinese animation like this on TV or DVD. Love Journey to the West. 使人惊叹！我希望他们能在电视上或DVD上放更多象这样的中国动画。爱西游记hkparody Thanks for uploading ! I also saw it when i was kid !! this is such a great souvenir ! 谢谢上传，我在还是个孩子的时候，看过它，这是如此伟大的纪念品HakuryuVisionWhoa! I really love this!I wish i could understand chinese, this is so interresting! 哇，我太喜爱这个了我希望我能理解中文，这是如此有趣！ravernomusi’ve seen it for the 1st time when i was like 8-10 years old and i found it so awesome!! Dispite that it is chinees spoken, i want to thank you for uploading this video. 我大约在八九岁的时候，第一次看到它，我发现它如此棒了（如此令人敬畏）尽管是说中文，我还是要谢谢你上传这个视频goosejuice288I love you for uploading this. Been looking for it a long time. I wish I could understand it though haha. But I know the story so it’s all good. 我爱你因为你上传了这个电影，寻找它很长时间了，我希望我能理解它，尽管哈哈……。但我知道这个故事，所以它是好的satoriG i have been looking for this for 21 years我已经寻找这个电影21年了fantasybirdOMG,then u must be a father of a son already我的上帝，那你一定已经是个孩子的父亲了trolltrumman I’ve been looking too! And I have TWO sons!! :D我也一直在寻找，我已经有两个儿子了mortensn been looking for this since I was 5 years old从我五岁的时候起，一直在寻找这个电影mercerle (9个月之前)Anyone know where this can be found with english subtitles? 有谁知道，在哪里能找到这个电影的英文字幕第二部分原帖： http://www.chinese-forums.com/showthread.php?t=621Hello forum!My name is David and I’m from Sweden desperately looking for answers ;)In my very youth, I saw an animated Chinese film - The Monkey King - the famous story. I thought it was fantastic, very well made and so exciting. They showed this film two years in a row during christmas time on Swedish Televison but the last time was in 1980.To be frank, I don’t remember that much of the story itself, I was only 6 years old, but it was very exciting and I remember the heroic monkey with the staff wich he could make small and put in his ear.So, now I’m looking for this film!The film was made in 1965 and had the English title 'Uproar in Heaven'. Other titles are, according to imdb.com:Da no tien guMonkey King, The (International: English title)Sun wu kong (China: Mandarin title)Do anyone know anything about this film and/or where I could buy it, with english subtitles? Preferably on DVD or VCD.大家好！我是大卫，来自瑞典，想问一些问题。我很小的时候看过一部中国的影片，名叫《大闹天宫》，是一个非常有名的故事。这个电影太神奇了，拍的很华丽，而且栩栩如生。1979和1980年，瑞典电视台曾经播出过这部影片。当然，其中的剧情我已经忘得差不多了，那时我才6岁而已。我记得美猴王可以把金箍棒变小然后塞进耳朵里边，太让人兴奋了。现在，我想找到这部影片。电影拍摄于1965年，英文名称是“Uproar in Heaven”。如果谁知道哪里有这部影片的DVD或VCD，我将会购买它，就是不知道有没有英文字幕？Join DateI think this is the same product as shown in your picture. But I still doubt if it was made in 1965 and whether it has English subtitles.我想它是否是制作于1965年，还有它是否是有英文字幕。Join Datemust look up the meaning of the word irony some dayBy the way, great thread. I’ve been thinking about how to get this film too, but not in Swedish of course.我也一直在寻找这不电影，当然不是瑞典语的EnilssonI wonder, either this movie is exceptionally good or everything else in TV back then was simply so crap that it just had to stand out. It was back in the days of the Swedish TV monopoly with only two channels on and cartoons was an exceptional rarity.Frankly I think it was just so exceptionally good.I’ve watched this movie as well and according to David’s chronology I was at most 5 and a half years old. However I remember some of it. In addition to what already have been said, I should say that I really liked the music in this movie. Very, traditionally Chinese in my uneducated ears, and very neat, good at setting the mood. Also liked the animations, nice colors, and the story was cool. This monkey took crap from noone and he fought the Gods even. That he himself was some sort of divine being I don’t think I got when I watched it. He also had this fighting staff which he shrank and hid inside his ear when not using. All in all a great movie.这部电影真的很棒，我很奇怪电视台为什么不肯播放，而瑞典电视台也只是在两个频道播放过几次而已。和大卫差不多，我5岁半的时候也看过这部电影，而且我还记得一些情节。不仅如此，我还喜欢片中的音乐，非常传统的中国风格，而且很干净，也很符合影片的风格。除此之外，还有惟妙惟肖的动画，鲜艳的色彩和很酷的故事情节。chiba2000 I just watched my Swedish video of Monkey King, it’s been 24 years since I saw it the last time. And it’s clear to me that things has changed since then. Animations is pretty ok, nothing more. The quality of the recording is bad, but the worst thing is the horrible du*河蟹*g. There’s only one voice, more like a narrator, after the dialogue between the characters is finished the narrator explains (short version so to speak)in Swedish what was said, not very entertaining. Still I like the story very much. I would love to see a remastered subtitled or properly English dubbed version on DVD someday.我上一次看《大闹天宫》已经是二十四年前的事情了，尽管如此，我还是记得很清楚。动画真的很棒，没有比这更好的了，但配音去很糟糕。像解说员一样，只发出一种声音，在角色对话完之后才用瑞典语解释说的是什么，这样看着很不爽。我希望有一天可以在DVD上看到重新制作的字幕版本或者有正确英语配音的版本。QuestI think the Chinese version had different voices 我也认为中文版本有不同的声音（回复上一人）blougouMe too.A french guy experienced exactly the same :saw Monkey King about 20 years ago and, still, I’m searching for videotapes or dvds. Great, great memories.To sum up, at present, none of us has found a proper version? Namely, with english (or french ) subtitles ? 我也是，20年前看过猴王，直到今天，我还在寻找录像带或DVD。目前，我们当中还没有一个人已经找到一个正确的版本?也就是有英语或法语字幕的版本？shaneecaThank heavens, I am NOT ALONE.More people here that loves a movie which is so wonderful, but totally impossible to get!!Unbelievable.If ANYONE knows WHERE I can get this movie, I prefer ORIGINAL language (Mandarin) with English Subtitles.Seen it twice on TV, somewhere around 1980.One time on Dutch TV, and one time on the BBC.I didn’t have a VCR back then, and that’s a damn pity.Haven’t seen an animation movie that was better....And I’ve seen quite a few in my lifetime.Please YELL if you know something.I’ve written the Chinese Embassy in the Netherlands to get a fax or e-mail address from the Shanghai Animation Film Studio.It’s quite strange that they this movie isn’t on DVD yet.sherill@lycos.nlI’m from Amsterdam/The Netherlands 感谢上天，我不是一个人。这里有这么多热爱一部如此华美壮丽电影的人，但却都不可能得到它。难以置信！！我曾经在电视上看过两次，在1980年左右，一次是在在荷兰电视台，一次是在BBC。那时候没有录像，太遗憾了。我看过很多动画片，没有一部比这个更好。我曾经给荷兰的中国大使馆写信，得到了上海美术电影制片厂的传真或电子邮件地址，奇怪的是他们这部电影还没有DVD。如果有任何人知道哪里能得到这部电影，最好是原版普通话而且带英文字幕，那么请和我联系。我来自荷兰阿姆斯特丹，laoleeI just watched this this week and really enjoyed, even without English subs. One thing, though, according to the bcdb.com entry, the original running time was 120 minutes, this version is about 85 minutes. Did not notice except the ending was possibly trimmed. Otherwise, fantastic!Another plus that I didn’t realize is that the disc also includes the 1941 b/w film Princess Iron Fan about 75 minutes long. What a great unexpected bonus.我这个礼拜刚刚看过，真的很享受，即便没有英文字幕，但有一件事情，原版的应该有120分钟，而这个版本却只有85分钟左右其他都很好。还有，我开始没有意识到这个碟片还包括了一个1941年制作的75分钟的铁扇公主，多么出人意料的惊喜！karenzitaEven in Venezuela somebody saw that movieBut I think I was the only one who had it! My father recorded it on BETAMAX (yes.. BETAMAX!) and I looooved that film. I saw it with the original sound and a narrator in spanish, but now im looking for it either in english or spanish, preferebly subtitled.I know nobody has posted anything in here for a few months, but if you have any information that might help me, that would be great!I think I’m the only person in Venezuela and maybe latinoamerica that has seen that movie, or at least still remembers about it.Thanks a lot for whatever help you may give me..委内瑞拉也许有很多人看过，但我认为我是唯一个拥有它的人，我的父亲把它记录在BETAMAX上（是的，BETAMAX），并且我爱这部电影，我看的时候是原版的声音和西班牙语的讲述介绍。但我现在正在寻找英语或西班牙语的，最好是有字幕的。我知道已经有好几个月没有人在这里贴任何东西了，但如果你有任何信息可以帮我，那就太好了。我想我是唯一一个在委内瑞拉也许是拉丁美洲看过这个电影的人或至少还记得它的shaneecagot it at long lastat yesasia. BUT unfortunately without English subtitles.But great altogether to see this superb movie again...终于得到它了但不幸的是没有英文字幕，但能同心协力来再次看到这部超级电影就已经伟大了monkeyKingsPalsI realize it’s been quite a while since the original post, but I just joined this forum, so I couldn’t post sooner.This is indeed a beautiful animation. I hope English subtitling does something to increase the awareness of this wonderful video.I have good news for anyone interested in this topic:The DVD you’re seeking has been reworked with English subtitles and is to be released very soon, if it hasn’t already been.My friend who arranged to have the subtitling done told me on Friday that the English-subtitled DVD has been completed.I was fortunate to have had the opportunity of working with the charming lady (Windy Shum) who did the translation of this film’s script into English, making suggestions on grammar and usage.I’m very anxious to get my hands on a copy as you are, so I will let you know what I learn about availability as soon as I know anything.From San Francisco with love... 我意识到离上一次回帖已经有很长时间了，但我刚加入这个论坛不能更快了这确实是一部美丽的动画，我希望英文字幕确实能对增加这部壮丽影片的理解程度有帮助我有一个好消息要告诉对任何对这个主题感兴趣的人你们正在寻找的DVD已经被重新制作了英文字幕，很快就要发行了，如果不是已经发行我的一个安排制作完成字幕的朋友告诉我在星期五英文字幕的DVD已经完成了danishhappynessWOW - Thank you for all the help - Just two days ago I asked if The monkey King existed on dvd.But no... Untill I found this site:-DA childhood memory from Danish Television (I still know the chinese theme song - damn..) is now mine to watch - Thank you Thank you Thank you all. 谢谢你们所有人，仅仅两天前我还在问是否这猴王有DVD，但没有，直到我找到这个站点从Danish Television来的儿童时代的记忆，现在又可以重温了，谢谢你们，谢谢你们，谢谢你们所有人
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MysteryGreenTea 3 年前I can't believe I finally found this! I watched it such a long time ago when I was a kid, and all I could remember was bits of what happened, but not the name. So it took awhile to find! Thanks so much for posting this! I can finally see something from childhood again. Me and my brother loved this! =)我不敢相信我最终找到了这个！很早以前当我还是小孩子的时候看过这个，我所能记得的就是一点点情节，但是名字忘了，所以不容易找到，感谢上传这个！我终于能再次看到一些我小时候的东西，我和我的兄弟都爱这个！noobzaebot 3 年前Wow! Beautiful. Authentic style, unlike typical Japanese animation that huge eyes. The characters have slanted eyes, truthful representation of Chinese. I can't believe the communist government tried to kill Chinese animation industry during the cultural revolution. If only they let it flourish.哇！美丽！真实的风格，不像典型的日本动画面部都有夸张的巨眼，真实的表达了中国人。我不敢相信GCD政府在文革期间试图扼杀中国动画，如果他们只是让它繁荣起来~Nymphomare 3 周前OMG!!! I've been looking for this film for years!!!! I loved it so much when I first saw it all those years ago, and now I can enjoy it again!!THANK YOU!!!嗷！卖糕的！我找这个找了好多年！当我多年前第一次看过它以后我是那么那么的爱！现在我又可以享受它了！谢谢你！！！！！Alice Zee 3 个月前um...this movie came out after the cultural revolution（回复noobzaebot）呃……这个电影是文革后制作的Marinanor 3 个月前She's in the kitchen. :(Sadly, not all women get their just deserts. No one really does actually.回复 • 对jelly434的回复 (显示评论)她在厨房里。：（悲伤的说，不是所有的女人都得到她们应得的，也没有人真正实际做到（开始不明白是什么意思？看了后文这应该是说哪吒的妈妈~~）
nez-jo-hye shin sdiki 5 个月前but nezha here in morocco is a name of girl回复 • 但是哪吒在摩洛哥这儿都是姑娘的名字nez-jo-hye shin sdiki 5 个月前i have the same name haha my name is nezha回复 • 我也叫一样的名字哈哈！我的名字叫哪吒Omen Singer 9 个月前O so that's why it sounds weird, the music! Sigh~回复 • 哦，那就是为什么听上去怪怪的，音乐！叹气！Heather Maclaren 9 个月前Thankyou for uploading this! We had this on tape when I was a kid and I must have watched it so many times. I'm so happy to have found it again.回复 • 感谢上传这个！我们有这个录像，当我还是小孩的时候我已经看过很多遍了，我很高兴又找到这个！
Вук Дражић 11 个月前Who were the voice actors for English version of this famous Chinese animated feature film? And who was the narrator of this famous Chinese animated feature film's English version?回复 • 谁是这部著名的中国动画故事片的英语配音演员？还有谁是这部著名的中国动画故事片的英语解说？DarkMind95 1 年前I have always thought of making my own animation series when I grow up, which would include several mythologies like greece, scandinavian, hinduism, norse and japanese. And then I realized that there was still Bushism (which is common in China I guess) and thats the story this movie is telling. I watched this as a kid many times since it fascinated me with it's art style. Well, it was one of my first foreing movies and certainly the first far east movie I ever saw.It took me only 30mins to find当我成长的时候，我总是梦想着制作我自己的动画系列，里面包含了希腊，斯堪的纳维亚，印度教，挪威，以及日本的神话传说。并且我意识到还有佛教的（我猜这在中国是比较常见的题材）就像这部电影里讲述的故事一样，我还是孩子的时候看过这部很多遍，当时它的艺术风格惊艳到我。好吧，这无疑是我看过的第一部外国电影，也是第一部远东电影。我只花了30分钟时间找到它Sulberto 1 年前Thank you so much for uploading this :) I used to watch this as a kid and i get very high nostalgia from this :)回复 • 感谢你上传这个：） 我小孩子的时候过去经常看这个，现在我从这里找到了很强的怀旧的感觉：）Alex Mock 1 年前OOMGGGG!!! i cant beleive i found thiss... this was my favorite cartoon when i was like 5!!!回复 • 噢卖糕滴！！！我不敢相信我找到这个……五岁的时候这是我最爱的卡通！！！
Rafat Islam 1 年It seems everyone's been looking for this like me. I remember I used to watch this almost everyday back when I was about 4-5 years old in our cassette player. I had no idea how to look for this since i forgot the name. I feel pretty emotional right now :)回复 • 看上去好像每个人都像我一样一直在找这部，我记得当我还只有四、五岁的时候，我几乎每天都要在我们的录像机上反复的看，自从我忘了这部的名字我都不知道该怎么才能搜索到它。我现在感到非常的动情：）TheSamsung216 1 年前Years of search under 'Naya', Then finding out it was Nezha. But the Dvd I bought didnt have this dubbed version, which I had 25 years ago on a beta,and its a very good one.. :=)回复 • 搜了好多年的 “哪雅”，现在才发现是 “哪吒”，但是我买的DVD没有这个配音版本，是一个25年前的贝塔带上（录下来的），那是个非常好的一版……：=）Sabbathman1979 1 年前YES FUCKING YES!!! I've been hunting for this every now and then for the last 25 years and more...The name wasn't Naja...it was Nezha!!! I remember the intro story about these dragons...I had this on VHS back in the mid-80's...it was lost in time...until now. THANKS.回复 • 是的！真TMD是的！！！我时刻追找着这部整整25年甚至还要多……名字不是 “哪雅”，是哪吒！！！ 我记得介绍片里的那些龙……我在VHS上有这片八十年代中期的时候……后来丢了……直到现在又看到，感谢！tonycl568 1 年前Uploader, you are the man. This got to be one of the best cartoon from China回复 • 上传者，你是真汉子！这是中国最好的一部卡通之一！Julian Widjaja 1 年前I've watched the original Chinese version and it has a more dramatic soundtrack. Why did they changed it?回复 • 我看过中文原版的，那个听起来更戏剧化，他们为什么要更改掉它？
ninjastah 1 年前I cried watching this!回复 • 看到这个我狂哭！TheeAuracle 1 年前loving this so far!回复 • 播放列表中 NEZHA NAO HAI太有爱了！moonspelled1980 1 年前I was looking for this for years as well...回复 • 2 我也找了好多年……wgh999 2 年前Reminds me of my childhood! I feel old...this was made 32 years ago!!!回复 • 2 让我想起了我的童年！我感到自己老了……这片是32年前制作的！！！Aneuecinema 2 年前THANK YOU UBLOADING THIS!! i Saw this when i was 5-yeard old, and i still love it!回复 • 2 感谢上传这个！我5岁的时候看过，现在依旧爱它！De-butt Stick 2 年前I am glad that you use an eye slantometer to gauge the quality of an animation.I love Little Nezha as much as the next guy, but no, this is not a truthful representation of Chinese and is easily as displaced from reality as 'exaggerated huge eyes'.回复 • 2 对noobzaebot的回复 (显示评论)我很高兴你用眼睛去衡量一个动画片的形象 （？这里面有生词，查不到，可能翻译不准确）我喜欢小哪吒就像喜欢一个邻家小孩，但是不，一个中国人物的形象并不止是没有巨大而夸张的眼睛而已……（这应该是对前面那条的回复）
angela marie 2 年前i loved this too, i used to watch it all the time when i was little, brings back happy memories!! ive got it on tape an il never get rid of it!! xx回复 • 2 对MysteryGreenTea的回复 (显示评论)我也非常爱这片，当我是还很小的时候我整天看它，这勾起了我美好的回忆！！我要把它录下来，再也不要弄丢它！funnybean44 2 年前you fucking stupid white pig回复 • 对noobzaebot的回复 (显示评论)你这头愚蠢的白色皮肤圈养动物！Juney19842010 2 年前I watched this in school 20 years ago when i was about 6! Had help finding it, but its completely timeless! What a beautiful story!回复 • 2 20年前我大约六岁的时候在学校里看过！很难找到它，但它绝对是永恒的经典！多么美丽的故事！caohanlu 2 年前what's with the audio? And gruff, rough voices? Totally unnecessary回复 • 音频上有什么？嘶哑的，粗糙的声音？彻底没必要ninjastah 2 年前Nezha Theme Tune is tooo much!!回复 • 哪吒传奇更好！！！ninjastah 2 年前'the silk of steel and the ring which nearly fits the universe!' ~ EPIC混天绫和乾坤圈近乎适合在宇宙里使用！~运载卫星Xander Hampshire 2 年前Last time I saw this I couldn't have even been 8, now aged 19 turning 20 I finally get to see it again, thank you so much!回复 • 最后一次看到这片我还不到8岁，现在我19将近20了我才又看到这片，非常感谢！jelly434 2 年前I used to love this as a child - and I thought Nezha must be a girl too, probably because the animation style is so delicate and lovely.One disturbing thing, however, is the way Nezha's mother appears to have been erased from the story completely.You'd think a woman who bore a mini-god-child would get a mention. Where the f%&* is she, I wonder?回复 • 2 还是孩子的时候我就很爱这片-还有我也认为哪吒一定是个女孩，可能这动画的风格太细腻太可爱了吧！还有一件令人困惑的事，不管怎样，那就是哪吒的母亲被彻底从故事里排除了。试想一下，如果一个女的生了一个迷你小天神一样的孩子并为人所称道，那么我真想知道，她TMD在哪？DKcoolhusna04 2 年前lol, I was in the same situation as you!!Remembered this as a kid, good memories, so glad to have found it!回复 • 对MysteryGreenTea的回复 (显示评论)笑，我跟你情况一样！！！还是小孩子的时候就记住了这片，美好的回忆，很高兴能找到它！JediQueen001 2 年前Oh my God! Thank you so much for loading this, I lost my video copy a long time ago and I used to love this when I was young.回复 • 哦，卖糕滴！非常感谢上传这个，很久以前我就丢了我的录像拷贝，我年少的时候也爱这片！roxy duguay 2 年前Perfect!!! Ive been looking for this forever!!回复 • 棒极了！！！我一直在找这片！！So Uke 2 年前It's like Mulan. xD回复 • 对noobzaebot的回复 (显示评论)这有点像《木兰》，（注：《木兰》是迪斯尼的中国故事动画片，个人认为木兰根本不能比）Avia Schelts-Brown 2 年前I have searched my whole life for this childhood love of mine! Thank you!!! ^_回复 • 我花了我一生的时间都在寻找这部童年的最爱！感谢！！！^{_Procrastinate} Wot 2 年前Loved this when I was a kid! Didn't know it was spelled 'Nezha' coz I kept hearing it as 'Naya' :D回复 • 当我还是小孩的时候就超爱这部！不知道这部片名拼写是：“哪吒”，因为我始终听上去像是 “哪雅”：D
DragonNexus 3 年前Thank you for uploading this.I've been trying to remember the name of this cartoon for so many years.Knowing the name of the protagonist was one thing. Spelling it was something else.*Faves for forever*回复 • 感谢上传这片,很多年来我试图想起这部卡通的片名，知道这部片主角的名字是一回事，知道它怎么拼写又是另外一回事*永远的最爱*mrahman65 3 年前Thank you so much, I have been looking for this film ever since I saw it 20 years ago. I almost cried when I saw it on YouTube. A million thank you. This film is a moment of my life that I have never forgotten even after all these years. Thank you so much x非常感谢,20年前看过这片以后就始终在寻找它，我在YOUTUBE上看到以后几乎都要哭了，一百万感谢给你。这片是我这些年来生命中难以忘怀的时刻，特别感谢！radiofiendify 3 年前I used to have this on video as a child and I've been looking for his version for ages. I always thought that it was an obscure film until I read in a book about animation that it was actually very famous and done by a well known Chinese animation studio. It really is very beautifully drawn and painted.回复 • 我还是孩子的时候有过一个录像带录的，好多年来我也一直在寻找它的各种版本，我总是以为这是一部不出名的片子，直到我读过一本动画书介绍说这是一部非常著名的片并且是中国最为著名的动画片厂制作的。这真是绘制的非常的美丽~~~~EVLWNS 3 年前I remember this... I saw it when I was a boy. Seemed kinda crazy then too. Still good though.回复 • 我记得这个……当我还是小男孩的时候看过，看上去很疯狂，一直那么好Feyd01 3 年前OMG. I have been searching for this film for over ten years. I've tried everything I could think of on google, and nothing could give me any clues. Suddenly I had some inspiration today and I found it! Now all I need to do is find this on DVD, along with the BBC dubbed version of the French Animation 'Masters of time'. I also found out the name of another animation I remember from the distant past which I found today, 'castle in the sky' Amazing! Thank you so much!回复 • 噢卖糕滴！我找这个花了10年，我试过任何办法在GOOGLE上搜索，但是没什么线索，突然我今天有了灵感然后我找到了它！现在我需要找到它的DVD，连同BBC配音版和法国动画《时间的主人》，我今天还找到了长时间以来想找的其他动画的片名，《天空之城》，惊艳！非常感谢！bursegsardaukar 3 年前And I thought chinese dragons were good...回复 • 还有我觉得中国龙真不错amazingdany 3 年前That movie was a childhood staple.I had a hard time watching the hero slashing its throat.But when he came back really bad ass, I was a happy little man thereafter!回复 • 这电影是童年的主食我看到英雄割破自己的喉咙感到特别难过但是当他回来教训那些混蛋，我又变成了一个幸福的小人儿！shanna1950 3 年前who can provide the original version with english subtitles? It's a travesty not to hear the original language回复 • 谁能贴个有英语字幕的原版？听不到原版的配音真是太恶心了
twinklebread 4 年前I loved this sooo much when i was younger, i feel like crying.. lol!! Me and my sister would dance round the room copying the turtle ( the part where he throws his eggs in the air and the baby turtles come out ).. I think i might still have it on VHS in the Attic at my mums house..回复 • 2 我小时候超超超爱这部，我感觉快要哭了~~~笑！！我和我姐姐学着海龟在屋子里跳舞（就是海龟出来的时候将他的卵向空中抛出的那部分……）我想在我妈妈雅典的家里应该在VHS上还有这片子保留着mystique115 4 年前I have to say...I much prefer this in it's original Chinese. It seems weird to me in English.回复 • 不得不说……我更喜欢中文原版的，英文版几乎让我感到恶心Skittledust 4 年前oh wow i've been trying to remember what this was for years. i loved this when i was little!回复 • 哇噢！我多年来始终记得这片，我小时候超爱的！mystique115 4 年前me too!!!回复 • 对Skittledust的回复 (显示评论)+1！！！Daniel Lim 4 年前Me three! Thank you!回复 • 对mystique115的回复 (显示评论)“+2！谢谢你！”yingwudaying 5 年前what happened for that music ?那音乐被怎么着了？
Linda Liriel 9 个月前lol I know,To be fair I made the comment as I was watching, I hadn't seen the other parts so I later saw that the girl was mentioned again, but there is no sadness to the death of the girl. Not even a sad little note in the music... It seems like the fight with the dragons is more out of principle...I just find it weird how after the girl has been eaten nezha is happily dancing around with the silk.回复 • 对bursegsardaukar的回复 (显示评论)为了公平我看过以后才发表评论，我没有看过其他部分所以我后来看到小姑娘被再度提及，但是没人对她的死感到悲伤，甚至连音乐都没有配合点儿……看上去似乎只有跟龙的斗争才是道德标准……我只是有点奇怪当小姑娘被吃了以后哪吒那么欢快的舞动着绸子跳舞~bursegsardaukar 9 个月前She was eaten. In part 3, the third son of the dragon king says 'She was tough to eat, your friend'.回复 • 对Linda Liriel的回复 (显示评论)她被吃了，在第三部分，龙王三太子说过：“她不好吃，朋友”Linda Liriel 9 个月前So...the little girl was eaten? And nobody cared? Happy music followsHow...well....err..... O.o回复 • 于是……那小姑娘被吃了？没人关心？紧跟着欢快的音乐~多么……好吧……犯罪…… O.oSulberto 1 年前Me too! :D Common mistake i think!!回复 • 对myconpics的回复 (显示评论)+1！：D 我想是通常的错误ThePonytail85 1 年前me too回复 • 对myconpics的回复 (显示评论)+1!haloreach321 1 年前what the hell? i'm looking for the other version, where it's more anime - ish.回复 • 神马？我在寻找其他版本，哪里有更多的动画kenho311 1 年前nezha is so cute and powerful nezha rocks回复 • 哪吒是那么可爱和有力的哪吒摇滚(?)radiofiendify 1 年前Does the Demon King of the Sea remind anyone else of Groundskeeper Willie from The Simpsons?回复 • 那邪恶的海龙王有没有让人想起来辛普森一家里的场地管理员威利？Rey Tesoro 1 年前ya是回复 • 对myconpics的回复 (显示评论)ninjastah 1 年前7:46 LIKE A BOSS! THAT WAS THE MOST EPIC STROLL IN! EVER!回复 • 就像是大BOSS，这是最的史诗，永远！ColonelCuban6419 2 年前ITS A GODDAM BOY????回复 • 3 它是一个受诅咒的男孩？？？VoiceOfReason7 2 年前Some body hair might help?o.o Oh,and not wearing lipstick. Make up is one thing but lip stick...... And he's wearing a one piece swim suit.....Yeah.....回复 • 对Thor Odinson的回复 (显示评论)一些人的头发能够帮助？o.o哦，还没有擦着口红。编造是一回事，除了口红……还有他穿着一片布，……游泳衣……耶……Thor Odinson 2 年前It's a cartoon character they don't wear lipstick unless written to do so by the writer... Nezha is an androgynous being and is usually depicted as female/male looking, like angels androgyny is a common theme among Celestial beings. You seemed to just dismiss the fact of the power, strength and courage demonstrated by the main character. European Knights wore tights does that make them gay, NO just like Nezha has homosexuality been engaged so how is Nezha gay?? dude stop trolling回复 • 对VoiceOfReason7的回复 (显示评论)这是一个卡通人物，他们并没有涂着口红除非被作者所专门提及，哪吒是一个雌雄同体的存在，通常被描述为有着男孩和女孩的外表，就像是非男非女的天使，同众神仙一样，你似乎只是反驳了主角展示出来的强大的神力，力量，勇气。欧洲骑士穿着紧身裤使他们像个GAY，并不像哪吒这样有着同性恋一样的引起关注，所以哪咤怎么是GAY了？伙计停止扯了~~~VoiceOfReason7 2 年前Did I say 'gay'? o.o Where? I said not very manly looking. Nezha is kick ass in my opinion but he waves around a silk scarf,has pouty lips,and wears a one piece make him look like off as a hero. o.o Then again,he wouldn't be too off in a japanese anime. The world where men look like women and women look like elves! :D回复 • 对Thor Odinson的回复 (显示评论)我有说“Gay”吗？哪里？我说没有男子气概的外表，在我看来哪吒非常了不起，但是他舞动着一条绸带，撅着嘴唇，还穿着一片式的布让他看起来不像是个英雄，o.o ，再说一次，他还不像日本动画那么极端，在那里，男人看上去像女人，女人看去像妖精！！:DThor Odinson 2 年前Yeah 2 comments down you said gay. Oh that silk scarf which has a PHOENIX on it to be summoned, so I wouldn't give a damn what people say or think, I'd carry that scarf everywhere I go it has a DAMN PHOENIX on it for me to summon!! Gee this one piece thing... like I said European Knights and also every guy in Europe during the Renaissance wore tights would you go up to a Knight and tell them they're not manly...?回复 • 对VoiceOfReason7的回复 (显示评论)是的，2个评论你都说了GAY。噢，那个有个凤凰在上面的绸带召唤了我！！哇，这个一片的东西……像我说的欧洲骑士以及欧洲文艺复兴时期的人都穿着紧身的东东，你能告诉我他们这些骑士都没有男子气概？VoiceOfReason7 2 年前Yes,yes I would :P Though I've been watching Doctor who of late who is 5 times manlier then James Bond! n_n回复 • 对Thor Odinson的回复 (显示评论)是的，是的我会的 :P 然而我会去看医生，比007还要男子气概5倍以上 Thor Odinson 2 年前ok troll talking to you is like talking to naval lint and it's funny trash talking coming from a guy who likes Twilight...回复 • 对VoiceOfReason7的回复 (显示评论)好吧，讨论食人魔对你来说就像是讨论海军皮棉，还有这搞笑的垃圾讨论来自一个喜欢暮光之城的家伙……VoiceOfReason7 2 年前Why are you calling me a troll?o.o You got some sort of weird freaky fetish or something? I'm sure you're a nice guy but I'm not into that sort of thing! :P And you can knock on Twilight all you want,I don't much care. And I'm not trash talking anyone. Calm down,dude! o.o Is all this pent up anger from your constipation problems? Don't take that out on me man! You know If you drink some prune juice with some laxitives you should be fine right?回复 • 对Thor Odinson的回复 (显示评论)为什么你管我称为是一个 “食人魔”？o.o你是有一些诡异畸形的恋物癖还是别的什么？我确信你是一个好人但是我无法接受那些事儿！并且你可以持续的点出你喜欢的暮光，我根本不会在乎，还有我不想跟垃圾说话，镇静点，伙计！o.o是不是这些压抑的怒火都是来源于你的便秘问题？别把气撒在我头上，小子！如果你喝了一些加了通便药物的李子汁你会觉得好点儿，对吗？Thor Odinson 2 年前so you're thinking about fetishes hmmm...? Constipation why you want a butthole to be cleared for you to enter sorry I don't swing that way. How about you just do the world a favor eat a turd and enjoy it : ) Any Guy who likes Twilight isn't a MAN so you contradicted yourself when calling Nezha a gay boy, slaying dragons is pretty much the opposite of being unmanly Ms. Twilight lover.那么你想到了恋物 嗯？ 为什么不把你便秘的菊花清理干净对我致歉，我可没那么摇摆过，不如你让世界欢迎的吃大便并且享受那感觉怎么样？任何喜欢暮光之城的人都木有男子气，所以当你管哪吒称做是同性恋男孩的时候你打了自己的脸，屠龙的行为彻底与没有男子气概的形象对立，暮光爱好者！radiofiendify 3 年前Is it me, or does the Chinese Dragon King's son in human form look a little bit like jonny Rotten from the Sex Pistols?回复 • 是不是只有我觉得，中国龙太子的人形形象有点像 性手枪乐队的 jonny Rotten？VoiceOfReason7 3 年前In todays culture,the way the kid's acting and how he looks,he'd ether be considers a girl or a gay little boy. o_o; Ribbon dancing isn't exactly manly n_n;;回复 • 对myconpics的回复 (显示评论)以今天的文化来看，那小孩的表演和他的样貌，他可能会被认为是个小女孩或者一个同性恋小男孩， o_o那些彩带舞就恰好不那么有男子气概 n_n;;kololoilo 3 年前Aah. Nostalgia :DI always loved those dragons with different elemental :DWe said 'I want be that snow dragon and you are that fire dragon' :P回复 • 我总是喜欢龙们具有不同的法力我们说：“我想要做那个雪龙，你要做那个火龙”:PFedorentinho 3 年前In fact, Nezha is aboy and and a girl. He's the perfect being, don't you see?回复 • 对myconpics的回复 (显示评论)事实上，哪吒是男孩也是女孩，他是一个了不起的人，你看到吗？Kaywynn Jones 4 年前You and I both...(facepalm)回复 • 对myconpics的回复 (显示评论)你和我都……（的脸）pheilyxu 4 年前the music has been changed which is different from the original回复 • 音乐被改换了，跟原版的不同Julia Arsenault 4 年前You know, to me Prince Ao Bing's dub voice sound almost like Larry Kenney's Jackalman for ThunderCats回复 • 你知道，对我来说敖丙的太子配音听上去很像霹雳猫里面拉瑞 肯尼迪的杰克尔曼 havva84 4 年前Is this around on DVD in English????? I can only find it with subtitles! Love this film!回复 • 这是英语版DVD？？？？？我只能找到字幕版的，爱这电影！Julia Arsenault 4 年前Beautifully animated I must say; if I were to watched the original subtitled version, I would say I love both versios, I wished it was on NTSC DVD with subtitles (I am from British Columbia, Canada)回复 • 对cannisterkid的回复 (显示评论)不得不说是美丽的动画片，如果我能看到原版的字幕版本，我要说两个版本我都喜欢，我希望它出 字幕版NTSC DVD （我来自不列颠 哥伦比亚，加拿大）cannisterkid 4 年前I'm in America, but I'm Chinese and part of a really Asian town, so...yeah...I got a bit pissed off with this dub. Wish I still had the original...;_; Though I agree, the animation's beautiful.回复 • 对Julia Arsenault的回复 (显示评论)我在美国，但是我是中国人并且是一个真正的亚洲乡镇人，于是……耶……我对这个配音有点恼火，我希望我能有原版的……;_;尽管我承认，动画还是非常美貌的soemorightnow 4 年前girls! i thought i smelt something yummy!回复 • 姑娘们！我想我闻到了一些美味的东西！Diego Correa 4 年前I'm a HUGE fan of this cartoon, so to time no matter because I'm brazilian and here it desapeared from TV, VHS and even was released on DVD... I'm so glad to sse this again, in english or wathever language is...我是这卡通的超级粉丝，不管怎样因为我是巴西人它消失在电视上很久了？VHS甚至DVD……我很高兴又能看到这个，英语版本或者其他任何语言都行……mystique115 4 年前Agreed :)同意cannisterkid 4 年前Compared to the original Chinese version, this is kind of...bad... I really do dislike it, but it's interesting to hear the English dub. It's a far cry from the Chinese scripts, so -- very interesting同中文原版相比较，这版真是……差劲……我真的不喜欢它，不过听到英语配音挺有趣的，这真的同中文脚本有天壤之别……非常有趣
Вук Дражић 11 个月前Who were the voice actors for English version of this famous Chinese animated feature film? And who was the narrator of this famous Chinese animated feature film's English version?回复 • 谁是这部著名的中国动画故事片的英语配音演员？还有谁是这部著名的中国动画故事片的英语解说？DarkMind95 1 年前I have always thought of making my own animation series when I grow up, which would include several mythologies like greece, scandinavian, hinduism, norse and japanese. And then I realized that there was still Bushism (which is common in China I guess) and thats the story this movie is telling. I watched this as a kid many times since it fascinated me with it's art style. Well, it was one of my first foreing movies and certainly the first far east movie I ever saw.It took me only 30mins to find当我成长的时候，我总是梦想着制作我自己的动画系列，里面包含了希腊，斯堪的纳维亚，印度教，挪威，以及日本的神话传说。并且我意识到还有佛教的（我猜这在中国是比较常见的题材）就像这部电影里讲述的故事一样，我还是孩子的时候看过这部很多遍，当时它的艺术风格惊艳到我。好吧，这无疑是我看过的第一部外国电影，也是第一部远东电影。我只花了30分钟时间找到它Sulberto 1 年前Thank you so much for uploading this :) I used to watch this as a kid and i get very high nostalgia from this :)回复 • 感谢你上传这个：） 我小孩子的时候过去经常看这个，现在我从这里找到了很强的怀旧的感觉：）Alex Mock 1 年前OOMGGGG!!! i cant beleive i found thiss... this was my favorite cartoon when i was like 5!!!回复 • 噢卖糕滴！！！我不敢相信我找到这个……五岁的时候这是我最爱的卡通！！！
Rafat Islam 1 年前It seems everyone's been looking for this like me. I remember I used to watch this almost everyday back when I was about 4-5 years old in our cassette player. I had no idea how to look for this since i forgot the name. I feel pretty emotional right now :)回复 • 看上去好像每个人都像我一样一直在找这部，我记得当我还只有四、五岁的时候，我几乎每天都要在我们的录像机上反复的看，自从我忘了这部的名字我都不知道该怎么才能搜索到它。我现在感到非常的动情：）TheSamsung216 1 年前Years of search under 'Naya', Then finding out it was Nezha. But the Dvd I bought didnt have this dubbed version, which I had 25 years ago on a beta,and its a very good one.. :=)回复 • 搜了好多年的 “哪雅”，现在才发现是 “哪吒”，但是我买的DVD没有这个配音版本，是一个25年前的贝塔带上（录下来的），那是个非常好的一版……：=）Sabbathman1979 1 年前YES FUCKING YES!!! I've been hunting for this every now and then for the last 25 years and more...The name wasn't Naja...it was Nezha!!! I remember the intro story about these dragons...I had this on VHS back in the mid-80's...it was lost in time...until now. THANKS.回复 • 是的！真TMD是的！！！我时刻追找着这部整整25年甚至还要多……名字不是 “哪雅”，是哪吒！！！ 我记得介绍片里的那些龙……我在VHS上有这片八十年代中期的时候……后来丢了……直到现在又看到，感谢！tonycl568 1 年前Uploader, you are the man. This got to be one of the best cartoon from China回复 • 上传者，你是真汉子！这是中国最好的一部卡通之一！Julian Widjaja 1 年前I've watched the original Chinese version and it has a more dramatic soundtrack. Why did they changed it?回复 • 我看过中文原版的，那个听起来更戏剧化，他们为什么要更改掉它？
ninjastah 1 年前I cried watching this!回复 • 看到这个我狂哭！TheeAuracle 1 年前loving this so far!回复 • 播放列表中 NEZHA NAO HAI太有爱了！moonspelled1980 1 年前I was looking for this for years as well...回复 • 2 我也找了好多年……wgh999 2 年前Reminds me of my childhood! I feel old...this was made 32 years ago!!!回复 • 2 让我想起了我的童年！我感到自己老了……这片是32年前制作的！！！Aneuecinema 2 年前THANK YOU UBLOADING THIS!! i Saw this when i was 5-yeard old, and i still love it!回复 • 2 感谢上传这个！我5岁的时候看过，现在依旧爱它！De-butt Stick 2 年前I am glad that you use an eye slantometer to gauge the quality of an animation.I love Little Nezha as much as the next guy, but no, this is not a truthful representation of Chinese and is easily as displaced from reality as 'exaggerated huge eyes'.回复 • 2 对noobzaebot的回复 (显示评论)我很高兴你用眼睛去衡量一个动画片的形象 （？这里面有生词，查不到，可能翻译不准确）我喜欢小哪吒就像喜欢一个邻家小孩，但是不，一个中国人物的形象并不止是没有巨大而夸张的眼睛而已……（这应该是对前面那条的回复）
angela marie 2 年前i loved this too, i used to watch it all the time when i was little, brings back happy memories!! ive got it on tape an il never get rid of it!! xx回复 • 2 对MysteryGreenTea的回复 (显示评论)我也非常爱这片，当我是还很小的时候我整天看它，这勾起了我美好的回忆！！我要把它录下来，再也不要弄丢它！funnybean44 2 年前you fucking stupid white pig回复 • 对noobzaebot的回复 (显示评论)你这头愚蠢的白色皮肤圈养动物！Juney19842010 2 年前I watched this in school 20 years ago when i was about 6! Had help finding it, but its completely timeless! What a beautiful story!回复 • 2 20年前我大约六岁的时候在学校里看过！很难找到它，但它绝对是永恒的经典！多么美丽的故事！caohanlu 2 年前what's with the audio? And gruff, rough voices? Totally unnecessary回复 • 音频上有什么？嘶哑的，粗糙的声音？彻底没必要ninjastah 2 年前Nezha Theme Tune is tooo much!!回复 • 哪吒传奇更好！！！ninjastah 2 年前'the silk of steel and the ring which nearly fits the universe!' ~ EPIC混天绫和乾坤圈近乎适合在宇宙里使用！~运载卫星Xander Hampshire 2 年前Last time I saw this I couldn't have even been 8, now aged 19 turning 20 I finally get to see it again, thank you so much!回复 • 最后一次看到这片我还不到8岁，现在我19将近20了我才又看到这片，非常感谢！jelly434 2 年前I used to love this as a child - and I thought Nezha must be a girl too, probably because the animation style is so delicate and lovely.One disturbing thing, however, is the way Nezha's mother appears to have been erased from the story completely.You'd think a woman who bore a mini-god-child would get a mention. Where the f%&* is she, I wonder?回复 • 2 还是孩子的时候我就很爱这片-还有我也认为哪吒一定是个女孩，可能这动画的风格太细腻太可爱了吧！还有一件令人困惑的事，不管怎样，那就是哪吒的母亲被彻底从故事里排除了。试想一下，如果一个女的生了一个迷你小天神一样的孩子并为人所称道，那么我真想知道，她TMD在哪？DKcoolhusna04 2 年前lol, I was in the same situation as you!!Remembered this as a kid, good memories, so glad to have found it!回复 • 对MysteryGreenTea的回复 (显示评论)笑，我跟你情况一样！！！还是小孩子的时候就记住了这片，美好的回忆，很高兴能找到它！JediQueen001 2 年前Oh my God! Thank you so much for loading this, I lost my video copy a long time ago and I used to love this when I was young.回复 • 哦，卖糕滴！非常感谢上传这个，很久以前我就丢了我的录像拷贝，我年少的时候也爱这片！roxy duguay 2 年前Perfect!!! Ive been looking for this forever!!回复 • 棒极了！！！我一直在找这片！！So Uke 2 年前It's like Mulan. xD回复 • 对noobzaebot的回复 (显示评论)这有点像《木兰》，（注：《木兰》是迪斯尼的中国故事动画片，个人认为木兰根本不能比）Avia Schelts-Brown 2 年前I have searched my whole life for this childhood love of mine! Thank you!!! ^_回复 • 我花了我一生的时间都在寻找这部童年的最爱！感谢！！！^{_Procrastinate} Wot 2 年前Loved this when I was a kid! Didn't know it was spelled 'Nezha' coz I kept hearing it as 'Naya' :D回复 • 当我还是小孩的时候就超爱这部！不知道这部片名拼写是：“哪吒”，因为我始终听上去像是 “哪雅”：DDragonNexus 3 年前Thank you for uploading this.I've been trying to remember the name of this cartoon for so many years.Knowing the name of the protagonist was one thing. Spelling it was something else.*Faves for forever*回复 • 感谢上传这片,很多年来我试图想起这部卡通的片名，知道这部片主角的名字是一回事，知道它怎么拼写又是另外一回事*永远的最爱*mrahman65 3 年前Thank you so much, I have been looking for this film ever since I saw it 20 years ago. I almost cried when I saw it on YouTube. A million thank you. This film is a moment of my life that I have never forgotten even after all these years. Thank you so much x非常感谢,20年前看过这片以后就始终在寻找它，我在YOUTUBE上看到以后几乎都要哭了，一百万感谢给你。这片是我这些年来生命中难以忘怀的时刻，特别感谢！radiofiendify 3 年前I used to have this on video as a child and I've been looking for his version for ages. I always thought that it was an obscure film until I read in a book about animation that it was actually very famous and done by a well known Chinese animation studio. It really is very beautifully drawn and painted.回复 • 我还是孩子的时候有过一个录像带录的，好多年来我也一直在寻找它的各种版本，我总是以为这是一部不出名的片子，直到我读过一本动画书介绍说这是一部非常著名的片并且是中国最为著名的动画片厂制作的。这真是绘制的非常的美丽~~~~EVLWNS 3 年前I remember this... I saw it when I was a boy. Seemed kinda crazy then too. Still good though.回复 • 我记得这个……当我还是小男孩的时候看过，看上去很疯狂，一直那么好Feyd01 3 年前OMG. I have been searching for this film for over ten years. I've tried everything I could think of on google, and nothing could give me any clues. Suddenly I had some inspiration today and I found it! Now all I need to do is find this on DVD, along with the BBC dubbed version of the French Animation 'Masters of time'. I also found out the name of another animation I remember from the distant past which I found today, 'castle in the sky' Amazing! Thank you so much!回复 • 噢卖糕滴！我找这个花了10年，我试过任何办法在GOOGLE上搜索，但是没什么线索，突然我今天有了灵感然后我找到了它！现在我需要找到它的DVD，连同BBC配音版和法国动画《时间的主人》，我今天还找到了长时间以来想找的其他动画的片名，《天空之城》，惊艳！非常感谢！bursegsardaukar 3 年前And I thought chinese dragons were good...回复 • 还有我觉得中国龙真不错amazingdany 3 年前That movie was a childhood staple.I had a hard time watching the hero slashing its throat.But when he came back really bad ass, I was a happy little man thereafter!回复 • 这电影是童年的主食我看到英雄割破自己的喉咙感到特别难过但是当他回来教训那些混蛋，我又变成了一个幸福的小人儿！shanna1950 3 年前who can provide the original version with english subtitles? It's a travesty not to hear the original language.回复 • 谁能贴个有英语字幕的原版？听不到原版的配音真是太恶心了
SatanAngelKat 3 年前oh thankyou so so much for posting this up! I never knew there was a BBC dub of this XD I used to watch it in mandarin on the video and loved it but now the video is old and has been watched so many times it is not in perfect condition any more and I thought I could never see it again :( but wow I love this dub :) thankyou so much! Is it just me or is the music actually different?回复 • 真的非常感谢你贴了这个，我从来都不知道还有一个BBC配音版，我过去有个普通话版录像，我超爱的，但是现在录像带已经太老旧了而且因为看过太多遍所以不能播放出来了，我还以为我再也看不到它了呢！：（（但是我现在爱上这个配音版：）非常感谢！是只有我一个人觉得还是音乐真的跟以前不一样了？vincent tremblay 3 年前i saw this cartoon in french when i was a kid since im from quebec anybody knows where i can find it in french version i know nobody does but hey just wasting time arent we...回复 • 我小孩子时候在法国看过这部卡通，我现在魁北克有人知道在哪才能找到法语版的？我知道没人知道，但是只是浪费时间，不是吗？（泥煤，打上标点符号会死呀！因为没标点可能翻译有误）ambivalenc 3 年前yes....the original sountrack is one of the best th

Long post everyone, I know, but I am just making sure to cover all bases and give the thorough description possible.
For years, I have been convinced that there were several scenes in First Contact which were deleted, these being one of Worf refusing medical treatment, and the other being an extended version of the scene where Geordi is talking to Cochrane about the statue, where he talks about his eye implants. I saw this version of the film in the UK, in the cinema. However, when the film landed on VHS, and later DVD, those scenes were removed (or in the case of the statue scene, shortened). This is not the first time cuts have been made to a Star Trek film for pacing purposes, on some cuts of Star Trek 6 the entire character of Colonel West was edited out.
Whenever I have mentioned this in the past, I have been dismissed, and it has been put down to 'rumour' or 'hearsay'. In fact, at least one of the larger websites even misquoted it as saying it was only seen during the UK premiere of the film.
I was convinced that there was evidence to back up some my claims, and furthermore, that the evidence was in a UK publication called the Star Trek Fact Files. I put out a call for help in a thread found here:
https://www.reddit.com/startrek/comments/7rz5mf/i_need_some_help_from_the_trek_community_does/
However, that thread didn't get much visibility, and was even downvoted at one point. The replies to this did not offer the information warranted.
However, today in another thread (https://www.reddit.com/startrek/comments/8o96by/the_official_star_trek_fact_files_the_largest) about the Star Trek Fact Files, someone (namely OhMy-StarsAndGarters) mentioned they had the collection. As such, I asked them to make a scan of one of the cards.
For those who are not familiar with the Fact Files, they were comprised of cards, which could be placed in special folders, the idea being that eventually they would comprise of the most complete database of Star Trek to date (at the time). I remembered that a screenshot of Worf during one of the delete scenes in question was on the first card for their coverage of First Contact.
Thankfully, they scanned the right card, and it is the proverbial smoking gun I have been looking for: https://i.imgur.com/peAghHo.jpg
Note that screenshot of Worf does not appear anywhere on the DVD/VHS versions of the film, the description matches that I provided previously of the scene, and it is before the Cube is destroyed. This is important, because no mention is made on the VHS/DVD version of Worf asking to leave the medical bay until Crusher walks onto the bridge with him, a scene which does not take place until after the Borg Cube is destroyed.
However, somewhere out there has to be someone who worked on the film itself, someone who may still have access to the UK cinema version, or someone with the reels with the footage on them. As such, given we now have solid evidence of the scene existing, how would we, the Star Trek community, go about signal boosting this, so that the scene in question (and hopefully the other deleted scene I referred to) may be uncovered?
EDIT 1: Added the link to the Star Trek Fact Files thread I mentioned.
EDIT 2: It seems the BBFC website may also corroborate the existence of the extra scenes mentioned above, with them being taken out for the home video release. The BBFC is the ratings board which classifies films for showing in British cinemas. And on their page for Star Trek: First Contact, they list that the version of the film which was show in cinemas was 110m 43s long, in comparison to every other version, which is 106m 5s long. This is another smoking gun which clearly backs up my claim that the additional/extended scenes were in the UK cinema release of the film.
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/star-trek-first-contact-1970-7
EDIT 3: In the thread there were some trolls doing some crazy mental gymnastics trying to shoot this down, so here we go:
'The picture on the card is a promo pic'
Wrong, it is clearly a screengrab, and there is not one single instance in the history of the Fact Files where a promo pic was used on any of the Starship Log cards. Promo pics for cinema films are generally NOT screengrabs (due to the inherent motion blur), but rather taken using a still camera, on-set, during filming: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_still
'A different frame rate explains the difference in length and means those scenes/additions could not have existed'
Wrong, the scenes were only a few seconds long each, even with the framerate difference taken into account, there is still enough time for those scenes to exist.
'Doug Drexler would know if there was a deleted scene, as he was on the set'
Wrong, he was most likely not on the set, since he was a production designer. There is a massive difference between a film's camera crew and production designers. One are on the set every second of every day, the other are not.
'You got it from a deleted scene, you didn't see it in the cinema'
If you are going to make that claim with such conviction then please tell me exactly where I got it from. As so far, only one deleted scene has been released from the film in video form, and that was due to it having been used on an actor's show reel.
'The Star Trek Fact Files are not a reliable source because according to an article I read, they introduced non-canon material regularly'
The Star Trek Fact Files are generally regarded to be the most expansive and complete source of information on Star Trek ever released. The sections which included non-canon material where the sections which did not provide the synopsis' for the series and films (Starship Log). There is no reason for them to have made non-canon references in this section, however if we are to humour you and say that they did in this example then it would have been the singular only time when they added a non-canon reference in the Starship Log section.
'Mandela Effect'
Doubtful, given the evidence on the card and the picture's caption aligning exactly with my own description of the scene provided weeks before someone else scanned in the card, two sources entirely different sources (one being an official licensed source of Star Trek information) aligning suggests that it is not the Mandela Effect.
So where are we now?
I sent a message to Doug Drexler, but he had no knowledge of the scene, which is unsurprising as he was a production designer, not a member of the on-set crew. I also sent a message to Denise Okuda, and I am still awaiting a response, but I am not holding out hope on that.
I'd like to tweet the respective actors involved, but I do not think they would remember it, given the scenes were mere seconds long, and given they are actors, a few seconds in a vast career many years ago would most likely not be remembered. I did tweet a few other members of the actual film crew a while ago (long before this thread, and long before the Star Trek Fact Files card scan upload), but got no response.
The entire point behind this thread was to try to generate some noise, so someone on the film crew might be forthcoming in providing more information about the scenes in question, which I am still hopeful for.

Last time was a mess on my part. So, I’m not going to waste any time here, what SEGA console does Neptune represent? I threw a bombshell at everyone when I said that she’s neither the SEGA Saturn, nor the 32X. So what is she really, some fictional 5th generation from SEGA? No, she represents the results of a project SEGA did in real life, and there are three pieces of evidence which illuminate things for us.
-The First is a line in SEGANep (A game that I consider to be relevant to the Metanarrative as I see it) that Nep said to Mega Drive that “you always release consoles that are too ahead of their time”. This seems to suggest that Nep has a very intimate understanding of the kind of thought process behind SEGA console development. I think IF is bringing this up because she probably went that process herself.
-The Second is a line that a little earlier in SEGANep. Where Saturn is repeatedly trying to coax Nep into a fight, and she calls Nep weak. It’s a word that really hasn’t been connected to Nep at all, so it’s possible that IF was trying to point something out here. And I think it’s that Nep represents a console that is inferior in specs to the historical SEGA Saturn.
-The Third is that in Victory, when Nep is dumped into the Ultradimension by Hyper Rei, we get a reference to the year 1992. How? Plutie and Noire being friends. See, I originally thought that this scene weakened Plutie as a character (because Ultra Noire Tsunning took time away from establishing Plutie characterization), but it’s actually a case of realism in Neptunia! Now I know you guys are going to look at me funny for that (though as funny as when you’re all reacting to who Anonydeath is), but yeah, before Sony launched the PlayStation, they got their feet wet in Videogame publishing by supporting the SEGA CD and SEGA Genesis (And the SNES too), I find it amazing that IF went with that kind of angle when you consider that most games released in that partnership were in North America and Europe.
Back to the main topic, what does this point to? The SEGA console that Neptune represents is none other than the SEGA Giga Drive, AKA SEGA Jupiter, AKA “Early SEGA Saturn”. It’s the version that was finished in 1993, before it had it’s specs jacked up in response to the Sony PlayStation to be better at 3D. It’s the version that was based off the System 32 and Model Arcade boards. It still would’ve been 3D capable, but way less so.
So if the Saturn, as powerful as it was (And it was powerful, a testament to the fact that the most powerful consoles tend to lose in the console wars), couldn’t stand up to the “Inevitable rise of the Playstation”™ why do I think that The Neptune would have a better shot?
Well, there’s something, something Nep has said about consoles a lot: that they should have lots of good games. Like with the statement towards Mega Drive earlier, I think Nep is speaking from personal experience here. So, games would the SEGA Neptune be known for? Well, first we nail down the launch date. For reasons I will discuss later, the launch dates are something like this: Japan: September 1993, US (Test Markets): February 1994, US (National)+North America: June 1994, Europe (UK, Benelux, Germany, France, Spain, Italy): October 1994. Rest of the World: Q1/Q2 1995. This isn’t supposed to be exact, you could shift dates back up to 7-8 weeks, or forward 13-14 weeks. Lauch price would probably be the same as the Saturn In our world (Maybe a little higher, but the dual SH-2 chipset added 50-100$ to the cost of making a Saturn). In terms of form factor, it’s very similar to the Saturn in overall appearance, with a top-loading CD Drive and Cartidge slot. I can see the Neptune getting a more use of the Cartridge slot than the Saturn ever did, due to two things: Offering a version of the N64 Expansion Pak (though with SEGA version of a Super FX chip too, to close the gap in 3D somewhat), and serving as a port for a backwards compatibility device for SEGA Pluto (Genesis/Mega Drive) Cartridges. (I feel that without the experience of the SEGA-CD pushing SEGA towards CD’s as THE Medium, SEGA hedges their bets more in terms of design.)
Now that that’s out of the way, back to what I was saying earlier. What does SEGA up it’s sleeve that could be killer app for Nep? Let’s start with Sonic and Virtua Fighter! While the former has become a laughstock, and the latter has faded into non-existence, both of these franchise were in their primes at this time, and one SEGA’s greatest marketing failures during this period was their inability to get these franchises to feed off of each other, to synergize. Here, I see 4 games that become million sellers in first 24 months. First, you’ve got Sonic CD (On the Neptune, because the Neptune kills off the SEGA CD, and the 32X never happens to begin with), a game that I will be one of the launch titles (And probably one of the only offerings at launch, because that’s how SEGA does console launches.), and probably a pack-in once it hits the US. Then in the fall you’ve got Sonic 3 and Knuckles (released as one game, as originally planned) and Virtua Fighter, and then following year you’ve got Virtua Fighter 2.
It’s just those games, looking through old sales number for SEGA games, I think I’ve got at least a dozen more that could also become million sellers by the end of 1996. Trolling through the lists: Mortal Kombat II and III, NBA Jam, Disney’s the Lions King, A bunch of the different Street Fighter 2 versions, Ecco the Dolphin, Sega Rally Championship, Virtua Cop, Daytona USA, Sakura Wars, Tomb Raider, Sonic X-treme, Nights into Dreams, Doom, and Puyo Puyo 2.
Other games of note that I could see hitting this window, if not quite the same level of success include: 4th Super Robot Wars, Knuckles Chaotix, Kolibri, Sonic 3D Blast, Star Wars Arcade, Shin Megami Tensei (has the right timing to be a launch title), Lunar, Multiple games in the Shining series, After Burner, SegaSonic the Hedgehog, Blackthrone, Multiple games in the Nobunaga’s Ambition series, Muiltple games in the King of Fighters series, Shinobi III (Another potential Launch title), Slipheed (Yet another potential launch title), Mobile Suit Gundam (Multiple Games), Tokimeki Memorial, Panzer Dragoon, Golden Axe: The Revenge of Death Adder (Another launch title, the launch lineup is starting to look clear), Golden Axe III, Eternal Champions, Multiple Bubsy games, Rayman, And tons and tons of Sportball games, because that SEGA’s all about! (And yet I find of weird that IF hasn’t worked that into Planeptune in some way.)
So, a lot of you are going to look at that list and go huh? Well, this is not meant to be definitive or comprehensive, just a look at the kind of stuff that came out early for the SEGA Neptune. Stuff after the end 1996 isn’t covered here. In all honesty, I can see where Nep comes from. I can also see this lineup giving SEGA 5-7 million unit (Worldwide) lead on Sony before the PlayStation launches (In Japan), and it holding up better to Sony’s onslaught due to one key factor: SEGA will likely find itself in the drivers seat in terms of price cuts. While I still think Final Fantasy 7 will ultimately close the sales gap, and Sony will jump past SEGA in 1998, I nonetheless think that the Neptune is going to be a profitable venture for SEGA. It won’t lay down the Billion dollar anchor that the failures of the Saturn, CD, and 32X dropped on SEGA. Nor will the Neptune will have anything like the consumer revolt that SEGA had in 1995 in the US with the Saturn.
So, what happened to cause SEGA to rush out the Neptune, rather than polishing it further to the Saturn? That’s really simple: Atari got back into the Console Wars in the 4th Generation with the Atari Panther. The Panther isn’t quite the same beast as in our world, it’s a combination of some of the tech that went into Atari’s 90’s consoles, and that of the CD-I tech that Phillips launched in 1991. Why do I think that Atari and Phillips would work together? It’s not something that’s completely unknown in the videogame industry: Hudson and NEC had a partnership that last almost a decade and across two consoles. There’s also the 3DO corporation, something that I’m going to cover in more detail in just a little bit. And there’s the almost example with SEGA and Microsoft, where the two were in a sort of partnership that ultimately fell through.
So, this was something that I was going to bring up in the “Grand Theory of Unified Neppery” (Which isn’t dead, just in a coma until I get through the Metanarrative), it’s that due to their ages, Rei and Mr. Badd probably go back farther than anyone else in the Seven Sages, though in real life I think it was of Atari wanting to get back in (to the console game), but not having the money. While Phillips had the money it needed, but not the brand recognition, so they teamed up with Atari, and released a CD-based 16-bit console in 1991. The announcement of this caused SEGA to toss aside their CD experiment and go full throttle on a 32-bit box, thus the Neptune.
But I’m getting ahead of myself, where’s the evidence that Mr.Badd is the maker for Phillips? There are four pieces of evidence that I have on hand:
-One, Design. Mr. Badd’s has Half-circles that loosely resemble the corporate logo for Phillips. (As insane as this line seems, keep in mind that Ultra Noire’s Brooch resembles the logo for Sony Computer Entertainment.) And Mr. Badd’s suit resembles the usual colors that CD-I units came in.
-Two, the connection to Rei. Phillips first got into the videogame industry when they purchased Magnavox, makers of the Magnavox Odyssey (the first Video Game console, something that so will be brought up at some point by IF.). This happened back in 1974. Given how I think Rei is way less innocent than she portrays herself. I think the lack of CPU’s in the Ultradimension at the time of Nep’s arrival was a result Rei’s antics. The huge collection of CPU core that Anonydeath and Mr. Badd use was likely something that Rei had been hoarding.
-Three, the connection to Blanc. In real-life, Nintendo’s first console wasn’t the Famicom/NES. Rather it was Color Tv-Game that was released in 1977. But before then, Nintendo licensed the Magnavox Odyssey. They’re also responsible for building the Magnavox Odyssey’s Light Gun (A product of the legendary Gunpei Yokoi. Keep an eye on that, I’m going to be coming back to him.).
-Four, the connection to Noire, and Laststation. Phillips and Sony partnered up with each other in the early 1980’s to develop the CD, they then partnered up again to develop the DVD in the Mid 90’s, which also happens to be right in the midst of Victory’s metanarrative.
-And Five, something you won’t learn until I tell everyone the truth about Anonydeath.
With that I think I have a solid enough collection between the Phillips corporation and Mr.Badd. Let’s talk about the Panther a little more. Like I said, it’s CD-based 16-bit console that Atari and Phillips put on the market together in 1991, announcing it the year before. I seen it as being sort of like the PC-Engine was: A half-step towards the next generation of consoles. So SEGA, fearing Atari would take away their hard fought North America, pushed the Neptune development forward rather than keep the SEGA Pluto on the market longer through upgrades. You heard me right, SEGA Pluto. SEGA’s 4th Generation console, represented in Victory as none other than Plutie.
Oh yeah, Arfoire. I see her as representing the Atari Panther, the first of two consoles that Atari would make during the 90’s in this world.
And with that I’m done.

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